YukuLouLou :
Nobody can verify such things ... only the registers of the game.
Do not talk about liars, you do not know who really knowing that these are words of chief vs. leader ... Why would one have more credit than the other?
Wolfenbuttel's reply is the one I would retain. Clear, clear, precise and without animosity.
All this leads to an impasse, a closed subject for me.
Yuku, I want to be clear, I do respect you and I'm assuming some of this is due to translation so I mean nothing but respect in what I say to you. But you called them liars and they defended against those statements. They stand behind their statements and you stand behind the statements of yet another anonymous faceless someone. You calling them a liar is worse than them saying they are not liars (and I am hopeful that you calling them liars so Blu to and rudely is due to cultural and language differences, I'm not an expert on anything French so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt)