Thanks John and MK I reckon next time you can take of us all you just need to give it some thought even though you lost some good players I don't question the talent is there to compete with us where I might have the edge is I know roughly the strength of each of your teams like the back of my hand so I made comparisions with my teams and tried to match up or give someone a simple match up where I could to maximise points if you think about it you have two goes too so first one you play is for what you consider as close to a safe point as and then you can afford to be slightly more ambitous about it. Like one of the matchups was Red dragons on Kalts I believe like red dragons is 3 levels higher but if he wins which chances are he would he's then got a spare second go he can hold on