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18/02/18 12:34
Black Monks :

King of the Jungle (#Rugga) :

Phalanx Damage Inc. :

King of the Jungle (#Rugga) :

Phalanx Damage Inc. :

Kotj, I'm going to try to avoid long posts because they're boring. You and I probably will agree on a lot. All I'm saying is, I agree with Black Monks' comment on the first page that 1 and 2 are "niggle" and not strictly cheating, as there are no rules in place in the game strictly prohibiting those things. It would probably be very difficult to regulate anyway. So they're more of an exploitation of weaknesses in the game. Like it or not, that's what it is but we can't call it cheating because there's no explicit rule against it. 2 is part of the game itself so clearly not cheating.


As you said “they're more of an exploitation of weaknesses in the game. “
While I can t forbid you to say “it s not cheating”, (I am not asking you to change your mind), you can t forbid people from saying “it s cheating”, or “it s not a debate, it s a fact”.. as it goes against morale, ethic and code of conduct (for some people).

None of you can show me a statement from SweetNitro saying “you are allowed to agree with your opponent to agree on a draw”.
Then, as you said “you exploit a weakness of a game”

From a gaming perspective, it s not cheating.. From a rugby spirit perspective, it s definitely cheating..

So it s all about how you play the game (as a gamer or as somebody who wants to stay close to Rugby spirit).

And I can t understand why some people can claim that there only one truth “it s not cheating”. (Which is a bit pretentious and dishonest when they have the definition of cheating in front of them).

Can you admit that people has also the right to think it s cheating? (and they are not totally wrong.. as you have the right to think it s not cheating)

Show me a statement from Sweet Nitro saying that any of these things are against the rules. You see kotj, Black Monks is right again. You're the one trying to make a case for black and white truth, and we are the ones saying it's a grey area.


If you can t understand “The rules infringed may be explicit, or they may be from an unwritten code of conduct based on morality, ethics or custom,“ in the cheating definition.. I can t help you..

A 3 second ruck breaks written rules.your thoughts?

And let me clarify, doing what must be done to cause a 3 second ruck at the interational level goes against written rules. Are all nations who use this tactic not rugby nations?
Écrit le 18/02/18 12:34.
18/02/18 12:34
"HONESTY, IT WAS ONLY A LOAN" :

King of the Jungle (#Rugga) :

"HONESTY, IT WAS ONLY A LOAN" :

I can only come to 2 possible theories around kotj posts within this thread.
1st being, he is simply ‘being a troll’ or ‘trolling’, whichever you prefer.
The 2nd being he is not very bright and simply doesn’t understand what everyone else (except his little accomplice) are trying to say.
I really don’t think it’s the 2nd theory as his grammar and literacy are excellent (far better than mine).
So I can only come to the conclusion that you must be ‘trolling’?
Hutchie, Monks, Phalanx, coach etc, I think we are flogging a dead horse here.


Very smart way of thinking.. i would then tell you to read what is the MECE approach.. it could be interesting for you to make assumptions.


But you’re making assumptions that I and others are not rugby people because we disagree with you?



No. I am saying you are gamers here, not playing with the rugby spirit. You play with the gaming rules.
And anyway you told me guys you play a “social strategy platform”... not a rugby game.
Message édité par King of the Jungle #Rugga Rebels le 18/02/18 12:35
18/02/18 12:37
What a load of dribble. King of the Moaners it seems rather than jungle. You are entitled to your view but the moderators appointed by Sweetnitro have on many occasions informed people to stop using the term. It is your choice but you will never win this argument as they have pointed out to you.
Écrit le 18/02/18 12:37.
18/02/18 12:42
King of the Jungle (#Rugga) :

"HONESTY, IT WAS ONLY A LOAN" :

King of the Jungle (#Rugga) :

"HONESTY, IT WAS ONLY A LOAN" :

I can only come to 2 possible theories around kotj posts within this thread.
1st being, he is simply ‘being a troll’ or ‘trolling’, whichever you prefer.
The 2nd being he is not very bright and simply doesn’t understand what everyone else (except his little accomplice) are trying to say.
I really don’t think it’s the 2nd theory as his grammar and literacy are excellent (far better than mine).
So I can only come to the conclusion that you must be ‘trolling’?
Hutchie, Monks, Phalanx, coach etc, I think we are flogging a dead horse here.


Very smart way of thinking.. i would then tell you to read what is the MECE approach.. it could be interesting for you to make assumptions.


But you’re making assumptions that I and others are not rugby people because we disagree with you?



No. I am saying you are gamers here, not playing with the rugby spirit. You play with the gaming rules.
And anyway you told me guys you play a “social strategy platform”... not a rugby game.

You also said anyone with the rugby spirit would never be a gamer, it's born in you, it's been in you since a child blah blah blah. So yes you said that and then you extended it to all gamers (which you are one according to your definition) do not have a rugby spirit.....black ajd white, agreen with kotj or you do not have the rugby spirit.
Écrit le 18/02/18 12:42.
18/02/18 12:44
Please reply, any team doing the 3 second ruck they don't have the rugby spirit? When webb ellis picked up the ball and created rugby he didn't have the rugby spirit?
Écrit le 18/02/18 12:44.
18/02/18 12:45
One of the fallen legends of the game :

What a load of dribble. King of the Moaners it seems rather than jungle. You are entitled to your view but the moderators appointed by Sweetnitro have on many occasions informed people to stop using the term. It is your choice but you will never win this argument as they have pointed out to you.


Win or lose a discussion? Really? Grow up man.
Everything is not about winning or losing..
Learn what is a debate..

Look at that: i let you “win” the conversation.. get a gold belt if that makes you happier in life.

But you have still not given me one cogent argument. Except saying that the definition of cheating in all dictionaries is wrong..
Écrit le 18/02/18 12:45.
18/02/18 13:04
3 second ruck is done breaking laws of the game and is done by all top tier nations in the game at the highest level. Break the rugby spirit?
Message édité par Black Monks le 18/02/18 13:04
18/02/18 13:06
One person may have a different opinion of what is ethical and morally acceptable than another. Cheating is breaking a written rule. Doing something that in your opinion is unethical, but is not an infringement of a written rule, is not cheating. It's not that difficult to understand.
Message édité par Phalanx : Damage Inc. le 18/02/18 13:07
18/02/18 13:20
King of the Jungle (#Rugga) :


Well.. Apparently if you have some reading problems, because I have already explained it twice.

Somebody who “grew up” in rugby and who like Rugby for his values (as Respect of your teammates and your opponents) will not use some sneaky tactics to win. He will even prefer to loose in a fair and good game that win in an unfair manner (according to Rugby morale rules).




Message édité par Black Monks le 18/02/18 13:21
18/02/18 13:30
Yeah, clearly that is not the case as I have already explained.
Écrit le 18/02/18 13:30.